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The Clintons and Scientology
« on: 2016, 03, 01; 16:53:18 »
Scientology is not a church, it is a dangerous cult based on brainwash-techniques and oppression, a criminal mob that has it's own secret service to threaten and put out opponents. Scientology-founder L. Ron Hubbard wrote that church enemies may "be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."
Low-ranking members of the cult are refused medical treatment. They are instead accused of not being "clear" enough, and therefore put into concentration-camps to dwell in pain and agony until they die. Members are deprived from their friends and families who refuse to become members of the cult or who leave it. Low ranking members are forced to give all their possessions to the cult, and work like machines without an own will for their masters and their profit. Scientology provides anti-drug-treatment and educational facilities that are not recognizable as Scientology-operated. People go there to get cured or educated and end up as brainwashed slaves of mobsters.


The Clintons and Scientology have a long history of collaboration. Scientology has funded the election-campaigns of both Bill and Hillary. Several actors, all of them Scientology-members, funded Hillary Clinton's campaign for Senate with over $70.000,-, Tom Cruise presented Albert Gore with $5.000,-, and John Travolta along with som other Scientology-members gave a Gala-Diner in favor of the democrats (entry-fee: $25.000,-).

In return right after Bill got elected in 1993 Scientology got Tax-Exempt status like a religion, after the IRC had refused that for decades, despite the mafia-methods used against its employees. The New York Times reports: "The full story of the turnabout by the IRS has remained hidden behind taxpayer privacy laws for nearly four years. But an examination by The New York Times found that the exemption followed a series of unusual internal IRS actions that came after an extraordinary campaign orchestrated by Scientology against the agency and people who work there."

On the basis of the IRS ruling, the State Department formally criticized Germany for discriminating against Scientologists. The German government regards the organization as a business, not a tax-exempt religion, the very position maintained for 25 years by the U.S. government.

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How serious is Hillary and Bill Clinton's relationship with Scientology?

The fact that Hillary Clinton has ties with Wall Street fat cats and shady international business interests has already been documented. The Daily Caller, in a Sunday piece, revealed that Hillary and, to a certain extent, Bill Clinton has some ties with the Church of Scientology. The story relates how Greg Mitchell, the head of a lobbying firm called The Mitchell Firm and a Scientologist, lobbied the Hillary Clinton State Department to enlist its support for what it calls religious freedom in foreign countries where the church is not recognized as a legitimate religion.

Bill Clinton, as president, ordered the IRS to give Scientology tax-exempt status as a recognized church in the United States. The Clintons also have ties with Scientology through their relationships with Hollywood supporters who are members of the church, such as Tom Cruise and John Travolta, both of whom lobbied Bill Clinton when he was president on issues of interest to Scientology. The church is popular in the entertainment community.

Scientology was created several decades ago by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard and is based on bizarre beliefs concerning psychotherapy and space aliens, as detailed by the Skeptical Inquirer. Some evidence suggests that Hubbard created the church as a money making scam. He is alleged to have said, “The way to make a million dollars is to start a religion." Hubbard never wrote this statement down, but the quote in various forms comes from multiple sources.

More ominously, as the HBO documentary “Going Clear” documented, the Church of Scientology engaged in psychological and sometimes physical abuse of its members, an allegation the church has denied. The church has also engaged in vigorous “lawfare” against many of its critics, attempting to silence any adverse publicity in the media and on the Internet.

The Daily Caller story has note revealed what if any service the State Department has rendered in response to the Church of Scientology’s lobbying efforts. The lobbying has continued after Clinton left the State Department when John Kerry took over as Secretary of State.
http://www.examiner.com/article/how-serious-is-hillary-and-bill-clinton-s-relationship-with-scientology

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Bill Clinton, Tom Cruise Plotted to Use Tony Blair to Gain Tax Breaks for Scientology

Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his wife Cherie were targeted by Hollywood actor Tom Cruise and former President Bill Clinton to give tax breaks to the controversial Church of Scientology, it is revealed today.

Clinton and Cruise plotted for months to overturn a legal ruling which refused to grant Scientology charity status in Britain. At one point the former President suggested he directly approached Cherie Blair for help as ‘she was a practising lawyer and would understand the details'.

These astonishing claims were made by former Scientology second in command Marty Rathbun on German TV who described sitting in the room at the Scientology base in Clearwater, Florida in 2003 with Tom Cruise when he called the former President. ‘It wasn’t just one call it was many’, Rathbun confirmed later.

He said that the Hollywood star and the former President, then involved in raising funds for his own Clinton Foundation charity, spoke many times on how best to lobby the Prime Minister and his wife so that they could use their influence to change Scientology’s charity - and hence tax status - in Britain.

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Before he was given the award Cruise lobbied Clinton at every opportunity, meeting him for dinner at the Hollywood homes of director Steven Spielberg and producer David Geffen. He called him numerous times at his Foundation office in Harlem, New York, to work out the most effective strategy to overturn a 1999 Charity Commission ruling that Scientology, founded by science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard in 1954, was not a charity and was not eligible for tax breaks.

Rathbun, who was the Inspector General of the Religious Technology Centre until 2004, said that he would audit Cruise - the Scienotology equivalent to the confessional - and then he would call Clinton or his staff in Harlem. ‘There was a lot of back and forth’, he recalled. ‘At one point Clinton said to Tom that it would be better to go through Cherie Blair as she was a lawyer and had a tax background’.

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Scientology in Britain has a long and chequered past. In the 1970s Harold Wilson’s government described the sect as ‘mafia like’ and put senior officials under surveillance. In 1975, internal correspondence from the Home Office said: ‘The Church of Scientology does not merely persuade people to part with their money. It is a harmful movement with an evil reputation.’

It classified the group as ‘an organisation designed to make money, and perhaps also to gain power’ which targeted ‘the anxious, the lonely, the inadequate, the credulous and deluded’.

In a High Court ruling in 1984, Judge Latey labelled the Church of Scientology a "cult", "corrupt, sinister and dangerous...out to capture people...and brainwash them."

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Hillary Clinton wrote to CMU for Scientology asking them to fire Prof. David S. Touretzky

"Greenway talked about how the Church [of Scientology] has gotten numerous letters sent to CMU about Touretzky including one from Hillary Clinton asking that he be fired, but CMU still stands behind him because they don’t care what he does on his free time."
Mark "Marty" Rathbun: Scientology Infiltrates Carnegie Mellon University

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/scientology-infiltrates-carnegie-mellon-university/

The following is a report from Invest Aide OSA INT (Office of Special Affairs International, the propaganda and dirty tricks arm of David Miscavige’s church of Scientology International) on dealing with Scientology critic David S. Touretzky – professor at Carnegie Mellon University. Note that it is titled “DR”. That stands for Daily Report. There are dozens of these daily reports in OSA INT files on Touretzky. There are hundreds of such reports on more effective critics. There are thousands of these types of reports on those critics whom David Miscavige considers a threat to himself personally and who have withstood Scientology’s wrath over time. Ask yourself: should United States taxpayers be subsidizing an organization that spends its considerable dollars on such hijinks? And, what is with Scientology’s apparent predilection for inserting sex toys into their operations?

full report

Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief

Written and directed by Academy Award® winner Alex Gibney and based on the book by Pulitzer Prize winner Lawrence Wright, GOING CLEAR: SCIENTOLOGY AND THE PRISON OF BELIEF is a provocative tale of ego, exploitation and lust for power. The film profiles eight former members of the Church of Scientology, whose most prominent adherents include A-list Hollywood celebrities, shining a light on how the church cultivates true believers, detailing their experiences and what they are willing to do in the name of religion
http://youtu.be/atCirERsJr0

Scientologists believe that every human being is just a baring for at "thetan", an immortal alien spirit. Do Americans really want to give a person under influence of such people the possibility to push that red button, because she might believe that all thetans will rise from the fire as finally freed intergalactic warriors?

Hillary also demanded the Moon-Unification-Cult should also be given Tax-Exempt status like a religion, despite it being charged by the United States government with willfully filing false federal income tax returns, and found guilty. In return she was given a regular page in Moon's own Washington Times. Obviously Mrs. Clinton is ready to act in favor of any organization that funds or supports her campaign, no matter of what nature that organization is.

A person who has as close relations with dangerous mobsters like Scientology as Hillary Clinton is not fit to be president of the United States of America. She has proven that she is ready to sell her soul and her presidency to just about everyone who is willing to fund her campaigns, and she has shown that she will do whatever her sponsors want in return. She claims she had such great friends amongst European politicians, but the respect for her is limited, because Europeans do not like to be lectured about what is a religion and what is a criminal organization.

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Export-Import-Bank not possible in the EU

HRC claims, that the Export-Import-Bank aka "bank of Boeing" is necessary, because the EU supports it's companies as well. She says she knew that, because she has spent so much time visiting Europe. I don't know which Europe she has been to, but the European Union strictly rules out direct payments to companies to give them advantage in business competition. In fact some major companies had to pay back such payments, and the companies and the countries that payed were fined for breaking the rules of fairness in capitalism. Isn't it embarrassing to Americans, that Europeans are still the better capitalists, because we try to force everyone to play by the same set of rules? We even do that when others act in contrary to that, and a direct competition like Boeing is to the European aircraft-producer Airbus gets money from the state, and therefore has an advantage in business, because it is the right thing to do. We don't act against our own principles, just because others do that.

If HRC knows so much about European politics, how comes she doesn't know this? Is that her so called experience? European countries support companies by providing a working infrastructure from which everyone profits, not just business, they provide healthy workforce through guaranteed medical healthcare and they provide free education up to university degrees to have the best trained workers possible. And they protect themselves from companies becoming too big to fail by proper anti-trust-laws. We don't call that socialism at this side of the pond, we call it reason. Bernie Sanders demands all that, so he is a socialist in the political landscape of the US by all means, but from a European point of view he is a straight out liberal.

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There is no way that these Goldman-Sachs papers will not be leaked. There are persons for sure who have a copy or their own recording and are not in favor of the Democratic Party, and are only waiting for the right moment to leak it. And that moment will be very close to the election, when there will be no more time to react.

Mrs Clinton has been sloppy with the protection of classified information in the past, so nobody should expect that she was able to protect these transcripts. Some people have them, and they will leak them.

The superdelegates must not wait until then, and take their responsibility serious. They must demand to see these transcripts, if there is no way to get reasonable for Mrs Clinton even behind closed doors, so they can decide whether they contain things that could throw her out of the presidential contest. Otherwise they would hand the presidency to Donald Trump.

It is totally irresponsible of Mrs Clinton to think she could keep the content of her speeches secret until the election, and it is for sure not presidential to act like this. What's the plan anyways? To keep it secret until she is president, and then it would be to late to hold her responsible for it, and so everything would be fine? That's crazy! If there is anything in there that she wants to keep secret, and there must be something, what else could be the reason to keep them secret, it must be revealed before it is to late. And that is as soon as possible.

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TTIP: HRC's favourite trade-deal declared dead
« Reply #3 on: 2016, 05, 28; 00:13:14 »
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Back in 2012, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton hailed a proposed transatlantic free trade pact as a job-creating, growth-boosting “economic NATO” that would forge new ties between old allies.

Three years later, hopeful presidential candidate Hillary Clinton appears less enthusiastic.

“Can you make it go away?” was the only-half-joking response of her campaign chairman, John Podesta, to a recent question on the trade deal now being negotiated between the United States and European Union.

Cooling ardor on both sides of the Atlantic threatens the very existence of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), which was launched in a series of promising talks between Brussels and Washington in 2013.

Since then, TTIP has lost some of its shine, as the trade talks attracted unprecedented levels of public opposition.

Over 2.6 million people across Europe have signed a petition to stop TTIP and a smaller EU deal with Canada.

Concern over the impact of TTIP has united disparate groups — from French farmers to German constitutional lawyers and politicians on the left and right.

“TTIP represents a monumental power grab by corporations and it must be stopped in its tracks,” Keith Taylor, a British Green Party legislator told a recent European Parliament debate.

In the U.S., TTIP has been overshadowed by its Pacific counterpart, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Skeptics, who fear the impact of both deals on American jobs, include progressive Democrats, Tea Party protectionists and labor unions.
http://www.politico.eu/article/will-ttip-be-an-economic-nato/

In the EU every decision must be unanimous. In Austria meanwhile all political parties declared, that there is no chance at all that they would ever sign TTIP. That's why TTIP is to be declared dead, and that's why the Clinton-campaign wants that topic to "go away". Well, it will not just go away, this is a major blow for her strategy on international trade. A strategy made to serve the interests of Wall Street and companies like Goldman Sachs, and that gives us an idea what Mrs Clinton said in her speeches there, that she is so desperately trying to keep secret.

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Re: The Clintons and Scientology
« Reply #4 on: 2016, 10, 08; 01:07:17 »
There is no way that these papers will not be leaked. There are persons for sure who have a copy or their own recording and are not in favor of the Democratic Party, and are only waiting for the right moment to leak it. And that moment will be very close to the election, when there will be no more time to react.

Mrs Clinton has been sloppy with the protection of classified information in the past, so nobody should expect that she was able to protect these transcripts. Some people have them, and they will leak them.

Well, I told you so.

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/07/excerpts-of-hillary-clintons-paid-speeches-to-goldman-sachs-finally-leaked/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Why the hack didn´t they listen? Noobs!

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Re: The Clintons and Scientology
« Reply #5 on: 2016, 10, 09; 13:14:27 »
Gehört nicht ganz zum Thema, weil das Internet und
seine atemberaubende Schönheit und Weisheit im Mittelpunkt
steht, aber hier ist ein längerer Kommentar zur
Präsidentschaftswahl:

https://www.fischundfleisch.com/hawaiipiraten-von-oesterreich/hillary-gegen-trump-massenmedien-gegen-internet-26322

Interessiert auf F&F natürlich niemanden, weil es kein
Österreich- oder Flüchtlingsthema ist, aber vielleicht kommen
ab morgen ein paar Leute, denen im Büro fad ist (so ist
das eigentlich immer).

Was nicht im Artikel steht:
1.) Niveau im Wahlkampf sinkt weiter. Eine Schlagzeile lautet
"[Bill] Clinton kriegte Pipi-Lutschi und wurde trotzdem wiedergewählt",
eine andere will mit geilen Bekenntnissen einer Verflossenen
Hillary als lesbisch hinstellen: "Bill [Clinton]: 'Hillary leckte
noch mehr Muschi als ich". Es handelt sich nicht um meine Übertreibungen,
sondern um naturgetreue Übersetzungen aus dem Englischen.

Was mir persönlich noch abgeht,
ist eine öffentliche Erklärung des Secret Service der 90er:
"Wir waren im Loyalitätskonflikt, weil die First Lady den
Präsidenten ständig ohrfeigte und dögelte. So brutal war
nicht einmal Barbara Eisenhower."
2.) Julian hat endlich wieder was geleakt, wie El Hel schon
oben erklärte, und auch dazugesagt: "Ab jetzt werden die
Leaks bis zur Wahl immer geiler und verbrecherischer, harhar!"
Er hat halt einen Pick auf die Clintons, seit ihre Mitarbeiter
öffentlich erklärten, sie wollen Julian tot sehen.
3.) Trumpi wird zur Last gelegt, ein Lustgreis zu sein, der
sich in einer sexy Radio-Show über sein Sexualleben
geäußert hat, in der er seine Schlampen objektifizierte.
Schlagzeile, Titelseite: "Pack sie an der Muschi!"
 (Howard Stern, für wer ihn kennt. Jimbos Dreckschleuder
weiß mehr:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Stern)
Außerdem bezeichnete er irgendwelche Promis als "blad"
und "deppert", was aber nur hartgesottene Hillary-Apostel
empört.
4.) Hillary will laut Lippenbekenntnis die Damen besser
vor Vergewaltigern schützen, allerdings melden sich jetzt
laut Schlagzeilen Vergewaltigungsopfer, deren Vergewaltiger
von Hillary geschützt wurden -- als selbige Strafverteidigerin
war. Hillary ist offenbar on Record, wie sie lachend erzählt,
wie sie ein damals 12 Jahre altes Mädchen vor Gericht
als frühreifes Biest hinstellte, das eh gerne vergewaltigt
wird, weil es in ihrem Tagebuch stand.

Das ist ein wirklich extrem primitiver Wahlkampf -- NOCH
besser als Palin/McCain gegen Obama/Biden 2008! Endlich
Spaß und Unterhaltung in der Politik!

Wers nicht glaubt, soll sich den heutigen Drudge-Report
ansehen, es ist wirklich sehr schräg:
http://drudgereport.com

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The leaks are so far relatively boring. That politicians talk differently to brokers then they talk to the public is no surprise and was commonly expected. The idea of open borders may be a nightmare for some paranoid nationalists, specially in America, but it won't cost HRC the election. If Scrooge Mc. Trump wasn't such a bizarre character, they still could have made an impact, but that is speculative.

That's why it is so absurd, that the HRC-campaign is making that completely ridiculous claim that wikileaks was  controlled by Russia. Maybe they are afraid of what is still to be revealed, maybe they continue their revenge against that organization, that reveals the total incompetence of the American administrations and services depending Internet security. Whatever the reason may be, the attempt to wipe all that is publicized off the table by describing it as Russian propaganda in favour of Trump is pathetic. But it is a signature-piece of "Correct The Record", Clinton's organization for social-media-propaganda, that has been seeking ways to diminish the credibility of persons and organizations that reveal inappropriate behavior by Clinton and her friends for years.

Let's face the facts: the co-founder and spokesman of wikileaks is Julian Assange. He resides in the embassy of Ecuador in London, threatened to be executed by the USA if extradited to them, and has no connection to Russia whatsoever. The wikileaks-servers are mirrored all over the world, to make sure that a crackdown on them by a government of a single country that has a bad conscience doesn't bring them down. They do that on purpose, they have already experienced such incidents. All of that is commonly known and can be found on their website as well as on the Wikipedia-page about wikileaks:

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Until August 2010, WikiLeaks was hosted by PRQ, a Sweden-based company providing "highly secure, no-questions-asked hosting services". PRQ is said to have "almost no information about its clientele and maintains few if any of its own logs". Currently, WikiLeaks is hosted mainly by the Swedish internet service provider Bahnhof in the Pionen facility, a former nuclear bunker in Sweden. Other servers are spread around the world with the main server located in Sweden. Julian Assange has said that the servers are located in Sweden (and the other countries) "specifically because those nations offer legal protection to the disclosures made on the site". He talks about the Swedish constitution, which gives the information providers total legal protection. It is forbidden according to Swedish law for any administrative authority to make inquiries about the sources of any type of newspaper. These laws, and the hosting by PRQ, make it difficult for any authorities to eliminate WikiLeaks; they place an onus of proof upon any complainant whose suit would circumscribe WikiLeaks' liberty, e.g. its rights to exercise free speech online. Furthermore, "WikiLeaks maintains its own servers at undisclosed locations, keeps no logs and uses military-grade encryption to protect sources and other confidential information." Such arrangements have been called "bulletproof hosting".

In August 2010, the Swedish Pirate Party announced it would be hosting, managing, and maintaining many of WikiLeaks' new servers without charge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks

The only "argument" for the accusation is the fact, that Edward Snowden was forced to seek asylum in Russia, because Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton threaten his life for being so brave to make public the crimes of their administration against the civil rights of citizens not only of America, but the whole world. But Snowden is still only an informant to wikileaks. Sincerely the most prominent and for sure one of the most important, but still nothing more. Never ever has he been a part of their administration, organization or staff. To build a claim like the one wikileaks was controlled by Russia, only on the fact that Snowden is hiding there, is bizarre.

This strategy makes Mrs Clinton more unfit to be president every time she uses it. Still less unfit then trump, but unfit anyhow. Americans should go for Johnson, he is in contrary to Trump and Clinton a decent, honest guy.

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Re: The Clintons and Scientology
« Reply #7 on: 2016, 10, 15; 12:09:08 »


THIS IS THE VIDEO HILARY CLINTORIS DOES NOT WANT YOU TO SEE!
PLS SHARE TO SHOOT DOWN THAT ILLUMINATI PARASITE PUPPET!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FvyGydc8no

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Re: The Clintons and Scientology
« Reply #8 on: 2016, 10, 15; 23:36:45 »
"Illuminati"? Really? Such conspiracy theory bullshit is the reason why people who criticize HRC are not taken serious. It's far too easy to point to such brainless fairy tales and put all other accusations into the same bucket. It works the same way for her like with Trump: if he wasn't so ridiculous, aggravating and as we now know even criminal, Clinton wouldn't stand a chance. Every other candidate would have beaten her easily. Trump doesn't criticize her for what is really at hand, he invents totally absurd conspiracy theories, talks about Bill or her health. So if he mentions something serious, it is hardly heard in his flood of stupidities. And people who attempt to criticize her mentioning "illuminati" do her the same favour.

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Re: The Clintons and Scientology
« Reply #9 on: 2016, 10, 25; 12:46:57 »
HRC has now changed the narrative. Now she and her surrogates claim, that Russia is using wikileaks to publish what their hackers have hacked. The way they say it is: "the hack has Russian fingerprints all over it." That is typical political propaganda. It means that there is no proove whatsoever, otherwise it would be presented.

They say that most American secret services are sure, that Russian services have hacked the DNC and other American organizations. That may be true, and makes sense for secret services. But a member of Clinton's campaign-staff? Not so much. The only reason they can present is still "Russia wants Trump as president", and that is no reason for such things happening. It seems like Clinton and her team want people to disrespect them as much as Trump.

Wikileaks needs no Russian help to hack someone. Russia even prosecutes their only Russian-born founding member, so they aren't friends at all. A regime that oppresses democracy and information like the Russian one is never too fond of whistleblowers. They also are braggarts, so if they had hacked a Clinton-staffer, they would also brag about that.

The leaks still haven't discovered anything shocking or unexpected. So the claim that "it's all Russia!" isn't only pathetic, it's unnecessary. The only thing the Clinton-camp is showing by keeping it up, is a bad conscience.

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